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  1. 101 Godfather of the Underworld: From Prison Dragon to the Pinnacle of Power! 黑道教父:从狱中龙到权势巅峰! Urban1.2M WordsCompleted [Urban + Underworld + One Female Lead + Powerful Boss + All-Controlling + Influence] “If kindness is useless, then from now on, I'll cast it aside!” After three years in prison for a crime he was framed for, Zhou Ye is released and sees the light of day once more. Betrayed by his brother and his girlfriend, and devastated by his parents' mysterious deaths, he resolutely sets out on the path of revenge. To avenge his parents and achieve his goals, he vows, “If a god stands in my way, I'll slay 2.9kReads7.7Score23514d adds
  2. 102 The Half-Moon Blade in the Rainy Night of Metamorphosis 进蜕之月半刀雨夜 Urban345k WordsCompleted Su Feng traveled a thousand miles to Nan Jian. After months of searching, he finally rescued the woman he loved with the help of his brothers, only to discover that the place where Li Lin had been held was secretly involved in the organ trade. After beating up the two bosses in the warehouse and Liu Junhui, the classmate who had lured Li Lin there, the group called the police and left the three men deep in the mountains. They thought the matter was over, but before long, they found Liu Junhui, w 3Reads—Score—14d adds
  3. 103 When Daylight Ends, the Killing Begins 昼尽而杀 Urban124k WordsCompleted Hong Kong, 1994. Three kingpins, two gangs, police officers, wealthy businessmen, officials, the media, hostesses, assassins, and ordinary people are all caught up in power struggles amid the surging tides of the times. No one can escape, and no one can hide. Fate is never in our own hands. Whether your eyes are open or shut, when night falls, people die. 33Reads—Score—14d adds
  4. 104 I'll Write My Own Youth 青春我来写 Urban286k WordsCompleted Synopsis: When I was very, very young, I had a beautiful older sister. My parents were always incredibly busy and often had to leave home to work in other places. So one day, they brought home an older sister they had adopted for me. She treated me wonderfully and took care of me in every way. But Dad was exceptionally cruel to her. Then one day in middle school, my sister left. I studied as hard as I could, and by the time I reached high school, I finally got into a school in the city and foun 234Reads—Score—14d adds
  5. 105 Who Cares About Being Young and Reckless? Only the Victor Reigns Supreme 什么年少轻狂?我只知道胜者为王 Urban1.5M WordsCompleted [Campus Drama]+ [Street Toughs]+ [School Beauty]+ [Underworld]+ [No System]+ [One Heroine]+ [Not a wish-fulfillment story] Original title: Those Wild Years of Youth at School My name is Chen Qing. I never thought I’d end up going down this road after all… Disclaimer: This story is entirely fictional and is not intended to encourage anything improper. Please do not relate it to real life! Reproduction without permission is prohibited and will be prosecuted. New book: "After Getting Out of Prison, 5.7kReads8.4Score36914d adds
  6. 106 The Charismatic Hero 枭雄 Urban1.1M WordsCompleted The goddess who looked down on me back then now wants to partner with a company under my name… A golden-scaled carp is no mere pond fish. When its destined moment comes, it transforms into a dragon. I’m going to become a ruthless tycoon and make everyone who looked down on me regret ever crossing me. 596Reads8.5Score10114d adds
  7. 107 Northeast China: The Tragic End of the Underworld 东北往事黑道悲情大结局 Urban126k WordsCompleted This is a fanfiction inspired by the tragic underworld saga Black Morality. It tells of the people who appeared and the events that took place in the four years after Wang Luoguo's death and before Zhao Hongbing's crew burst onto the scene. Readers of Northeast Tales Prequel: Black Morality 1, Northeast Tales Prequel: Black Morality 2, and Northeast Tales: Twenty Years of Underworld Turmoil may have wondered what happened during those four years between Black Morality and Twenty Years of Underwo 4.9kReads6.9Score27014d adds
  8. 108 Dark Glory: Twenty Years in the Underworld of Northeast China 黑暗荣耀:东北江湖二十年 Urban2.9M WordsCompleted 1.3kReads8.8Score10614d adds
  9. 109 The Days We Spent Running with the Wrong Crowd 那些年混过的日子 Urban1.5M WordsCompleted Young and reckless, we chased nothing but our ideals. The storms we weathered in those years, the roads we walked together, and the days we spent making our way through life. The old generation's feuds and entanglements, the younger generation's rivalries: an unknown nobody gradually grows stronger, overcoming hardship after hardship without ever giving up. 3.8kReads7.2Score17814d adds
  10. 110 Big Brother 大哥 Urban1.2M WordsCompleted At the end of the last century, before the rules were fully established, all sorts of people emerged in great numbers. They exploited loopholes, ran gray-market businesses, and moved between the worlds of crime and respectability. A young man returned from military service, only to be dragged into the underworld. More than a decade of life on the fringes followed: wine and laughter with friends in spring, late-night talks beneath the lamplight; hardship at first, then glory at last. He had walke 4.1kReads9.0Score29214d adds
  11. 111 This Godfather Isn’t Proper 这个教父不正经 Urban1.2M WordsCompleted [Underworld epic] [Dark, forbidden mother-daughter angels] [Love for a widow] [A failed life: the rise of a dragon and an elephant] This is a lament for everything lost. His birth mother abandons him, and he is crowned the voice of the underworld. He takes the blame for the woman he loves and goes to prison, only for her to become a British princess he can admire on the news. He alone falls from a street vendor selling candied hawthorn skewers to a prisoner locked away from the light of day. Th 1.5kReads9.1Score15614d adds
  12. 112 The Golden Age of the Gangland: A Blood-Red Underworld 黑帮盛世:血色江湖 Urban3.6M WordsOngoing (Not a mindless power fantasy. Underworld, urban setting, no invincible hero, first person, tight logic, humorous writing. Read with caution if that’s not your thing!) A cursed, tragic fate. A life in the underworld that cannot be escaped. A band of brothers who stand together through life and death, and a dark life longing for redemption. You’ve never endured years of hardship, so of course you can’t understand the underworld in my heart. My story begins after I get out of prison in Ice Cit 112.1kReads9.3Score8.3k14d adds
  13. 113 Underworld Storms: Zhang Yue 黑道风云之张岳 Male-Channel Fanfiction1.0M WordsCompleted He is the staunchest believer in the code of the underworld, fiercely loyal to his brothers to the point of obsession; he believes most in repaying every blow, dealing with his enemies with ruthless finality; he holds fast to his fighting spirit, staying true to himself to the very end. He is Zhang Yue, the underworld boss known as the Pale-Faced Scholar. 10.9kReads8.1Score60814d adds
  14. 114 Tales of the Northeast: The Turbulent Nineties 东北往事之九零风云 Urban1.7M WordsCompleted (Hot-blooded) (Brotherhood) (Youth) (Fast-paced, no dragging things out) The law-abiding worry all day, while the mighty sing all night. Those who harm others for their own gain ride in comfort, while the honest and fair go hungry. Those who build bridges and mend roads go blind, while those who kill and set fires have plenty of sons. I went to the Western Heaven to ask Buddha. Buddha said, “There's nothing I can do either.” This novel tells the blood-and-tears story of Shen Congwen, a great und 6.8kReads8.9Score44114d adds
  15. 115 Twenty Years of Gangland Turmoil 黑道风云二十年 Urban404k WordsCompleted I had just gone to prison when my girlfriend got together with my big brother. My name is Wang Chao, a street punk who takes loyalty seriously. The passion of the 1990s is my dream. And the youth an entire generation can never get back. With my story, I’ll look back on the glorious years we shared! 507Reads6.3Score—14d adds
  16. 116 Underworld Storms: Qiao Si's Strategists, Xiao Ke and Wang Wei Fan 黑道风云之乔四军师小克王伟范 Urban939k WordsOngoing He was Qiao Siye’s strategist, known as the Brains. Only five-foot-three, he had an exceptionally quick mind, earning him the nicknames Little Zhuge and Ghost Six among the underworld. He wasn’t known for violence, but for his sense of honor and loyalty. Born into poverty, he started out as a bathhouse scrubber and worked his way up to become one of the Three Musketeers of Bingcheng, even driving the city’s first Mercedes-Benz 560. Follow the turbulent life of Wei Wan, the Little Master of Bingc 167.7kReads8.7Score9.2k14d adds
  17. 117 The Peerless Young Master 公子无双 Urban1.5M WordsCompleted Lin Qi seems like an ordinary delivery driver, but in this city, whether they are business tycoons, renowned doctors, or underworld bosses, everyone treats him with the utmost respect and calls him, "Young Master!" 334Reads9.1Score—14d adds
  18. 118 Be the Fiercest One 做最凶的那个 Urban476k WordsCompleted Lin Yu had always been troubled by a question: Why must good people endure eighty-one trials to become Buddhas, while bad people only need to lay down their butcher's knives? Fairness has never been something the poor get to talk about. If you want fairness, there's only one way: make yourself strong enough to create it. This world has both light and darkness. It won't treat you well just because you're kind. His father was unable to repay his debts and eventually took his own life. The creditor 765Reads6.3Score—14d adds
  19. 119 Dongguan, I Am King! 莞市,我为王! Urban679k WordsOngoing What kind of legendary path will Li Feng carve out after leaving martial arts school and arriving in Dongguan? In the bright days of youth, ride proud and true. Make the most of your time, and know where you’re headed. May you roam the world for half your life, then return still young at heart... (The original cast of strongmen who rose from vocational school reunites. A new story, a fresh start!) 393Reads7.3Score—14d adds
  20. 120 I’m No Punk: Three of Us Together 我不是小混混之三人行 Urban1.2M WordsCompleted Determined not to become a thug, he knows that those who walk different paths cannot work together. Brotherhood, and the revival of the Eight Gates of the underworld. Is a sinister force behind it all, or is something far worse on the horizon...? 323Reads—Score1914d adds
  21. 121 The Years We Shared, Brothers 兄弟们的那些年 Urban495k WordsOngoing [Underworld + Ensemble Cast + Decisive Action + Dramatic Rescues + Passionate + Expansive Worldbuilding] A boy watches his parents die horrifically in a gang war, then is forced to leave school behind and descend into the bottomless abyss of the underworld. He forms a bond of life and death with four brothers, growing amid bloodshed and making his stand amid tangled grudges and passions. Through this gauntlet of flashing blades, he swears that every blood debt will be repaid in blood. 22Reads—Score214d adds
  22. 122 Making a Living on the Side in Australia 我在澳洲捞偏门 Urban537k WordsCompleted This story is based on real events. I came to Australia with a dream of studying abroad, only to be driven to the brink by reality. From a lowly street-level smuggler to a force to be reckoned with, commanding the underworld and crossing the world, I paved my way to power with cunning and bloodshed. Only when I stood at the summit and looked back did I realize that the most dangerous gamble of all is the one you make with human nature. This is a road with no turning back, but who knows which cor 28Reads—Score—14d adds
  23. 123 Tales of the Night, Shrouded in Darkness 夜话无明 Urban415k WordsCompleted [5,000 Words Daily] [Collusion Between Officials and Gangsters] [Profit Above All] [Human Nature Is Evil] [Ruthless and Decisive] [No Formulaic Plot] [Not a Power Fantasy] Walk the night roads and knock on the black door. Beyond it lies a dazzling world, but one wrong step could send you into an abyss with no way back. This path has set countless hearts ablaze, and drawn countless others to follow, one after another, eager to risk everything. What sparks will fly when old-school guardians of hon 219Reads9.3Score—14d adds
  24. 124 Day One of College: I Start Running with the Underworld! 大学第一天,从混黑道开始! Urban806k WordsOngoing A powerful underworld boss is reborn as a college student. With the System’s help, he rises once more to the pinnacle of the underworld. [Feel-Good Revenge + Urban + Underworld + Boss + School] Starting out as a college student, the male lead Lin Ao works his way to the top of the underworld, dominating both the criminal and legitimate worlds. He has powerful backing and influence that reaches everywhere. Dear readers, please be patient as you read. The story starts off ordinary, but the excitin 902Reads6.9Score10214d adds
  25. 125 Tales of Dragon City: Stories of a Small Town 龙城往事之小城故事 Urban156k WordsCompleted A realistic portrayal of northeastern China from the late 1980s to the present, full of grudges, grievances, and social change. Follow a group of impressionable young people as they face a host of challenges and opportunities and discover what it means to grow up. Realistic fiction, not a wish-fulfillment story, with a slow build. 102Reads—Score—14d adds
  26. 126 Desire for Black Gold 欲黑金 Urban1.3M WordsCompleted [Underworld, Passion and Strategy, Multiple Heroines] Six years ago, Cao Zhishuang broke into the room of the campus belle, a teacher, and ended up behind bars. Now that he’s just been released, an invisible hand has already closed around him. Cao Zhishuang resolutely steps into the game, vowing to uncover the true cause of his father’s death and kill his enemies with his own hands. From then on, he sets out on a one-way road paved with desire and dirty money… 6.4kReads8.1Score67914d adds
  27. 127 The Butcher Who Walked Out of Prison 从监狱中走出的人屠 Urban4.9M WordsOngoing Being part of the underworld isn’t about fighting and killing. It’s about dealing with people. Su Bai had no connections, no powerful backers, and had just spent ten years in prison. After his release, he was penniless, so his older brother found him a job as a computer lab attendant. Watch him turn his life around and make his way in both the underworld and the legitimate world. In the underworld, he’s a big shot with people ready to answer his call. In the legitimate world, he has powerful fri 28.4kReads8.5Score2.3k14d adds
  28. 128 A Young Man's Years in the Jianghu 少年之江湖岁月 Urban1.7M WordsCompleted The jianghu is a road with no return, a maze, an abyss. Some manipulate events from the shadows, while others struggle for their lives in the mire. Watch who rises above them all, and who comes crashing down. 19.7kReads9.0Score1.4k14d adds
  29. 129 The Blood Dragon of Carnage 狂煞血龙 Urban1.8M WordsCompleted To find her, he enters this battle for power with a band of beastlike brothers at his side... After she is murdered, he raises his blade and unleashes a massacre that shocks the world... His bloodthirsty nature earns him the fearsome title of the greatest killer emperor in history... With his arrival, the underworld is shrouded in a bloody haze for decades... 1.6kReads8.9Score11814d adds
  30. 130 Jianghu Dragon: Underworld Storm in the Northeast 江湖枭龙:东北黑道风云 Urban4.3M WordsOngoing Three years in prison, and everything had changed. After his release, Lu Tao found himself at a crossroads in life. The snowstorm that year was so fierce it bent Lu Tao’s back. The friendship that year was so warm it helped him emerge reborn and fight his way upstream. Watch as a close-knit group of friends stand shoulder to shoulder, stride through a turbulent era, and build something magnificent! 19.1kReads9.1Score1.1k14d adds
  31. 131 The Gangster Tycoon Who Rose from the Hutongs 胡同里杀出来的流氓大亨 Urban2.5M WordsCompleted Previously published under the titles Dragon City Years and Thirty Years in a Bloodstained Underworld. This is a lawless age where every corner is ruled by a big shot. This is the story of a naive young man who turns into a bloodthirsty beast just to survive. This is an underworld tale full of thrills and passion! Welcome to the 1980s… 40.5kReads9.2Score3.8k14d adds
  32. 132 I'm a Locksmith, and You Want Me to Exorcise Demons and Ferry Souls? 我一个开锁匠,你让我摆妖渡魂? Mystery205k WordsCompleted Guo Cheng is a master locksmith who has never failed. Until one day, he opens a “lock” and unlocks the door to another world. From then on, his clients are no longer limited to people with security doors. They include the demon spirits that wander among the living. He picks locks to “lock” away danger, and ferries spirits so they can depart in peace. In the shadows of the city, demons and ghosts run rampant. Watch as a locksmith uses his skills to forge his own path as a ferryman between the wor 49Reads—Score—14d adds
  33. 133 The Jianghu: What Is It, Really? 江湖,到底是什么? Urban193k WordsOngoing [Pure Underworld] [The Jianghu of the 1980s] Where there are people, there are grudges; where there are grudges, there is a jianghu; people are the jianghu! It used to be called the jianghu, but now it's called society! When the storms had passed, Lang Aowen knelt once more before the sacred image of Guan Yu, holding three sticks of incense high above his head. Only one question remained in his heart: The jianghu, what exactly is it? [Serious Warning: The characters and plot in this book are 1.7kReads—Score10114d adds
  34. 134 Awakening of the Lost Dragon 迷龙觉醒 Urban206k WordsCompleted Special forces soldier Jin Nan was on an overseas mission when he accidentally fell off a cliff, was injured, and lost his memory. He later took the name Dongfang Long. After being rescued, he tried every possible way to find out “Who am I?” but failed. To repay his debt for saving his life, he founded a company and fought the underworld, eventually uniting the criminal world. Years later, he regained his memories and rediscovered himself, then seized the chance to serve his country with burning 168Reads7.1Score—14d adds
  35. 135 The Hidden Dragon of the Righteous Path 正道潜龙 Urban4.5M WordsCompleted One of Wei Jie’s four-part series A shooting case. An undercover agent lies dead in the street. An investigator once swore an oath beneath the solemn national emblem. At a crossroads of fate, a twin brother makes a dramatic entrance, leading to a lonely yet passionate story... Back to 1998! Our brotherhood is still here, our youth is still here. From this point, we set sail once more and forge the next great triumph! 39.3kReads9.5Score4.7k14d adds
  36. 136 The Legend of Lu Laoqi 陆老七传奇 Urban209k WordsOngoing In the province of Rehe during the Republican era, a catchy rhyme circulated through the martial world: “Lu Laoqi, Li Changjiu, undefeated throughout Rehe; the Beggar, Detective, and Master Shang; Dalong, Qingshan, and Zheng the Crooked; the Driver, Drunkard, and Wang Chaojie; Pockmark, Du Wu, and Liu Minghu; the Twin Fiends, Kou Haiyang, and Yu Xingba.” It vividly described the eighteen peerless fighters of Rehe at the time. Ranked first was Lu Yishan, a boy from a poor family in the province. 27Reads—Score—14d adds
  37. 137 A Life of Dark Desires 黑欲人生 Urban4.2M WordsCompleted Keep your hands ruthless, your mind sharp, and your nerve strong. The martial world is a place where people devour one another. Talk about honor and reason? You'll end up without a bone left! [Blood-Soaked Martial World] [Love and Hate] [Powerful Background] [All the Right Ingredients] 16.3kReads8.9Score1.4k14d adds
  38. 138 A Fake Eunuch Goes Undercover in Dongguan's Underworld and Ends Up Seducing the Boss's Wife 假太监卧底莞城黑道,真撩了大嫂 Urban529k WordsCompleted [Undercover agent + urban + underworld + System + many love interests + power plays + hard-hitting thrills + ruthless killing] “A dead eunuch who's lost his manhood thinks he can protect our sister-in-law?” On a stormy night, dozens of gang enforcers corner Cao Kun. Right in front of him, they're about to tear Fourth Sister-in-Law Li Mi's dress off. “As long as I don't fall into the hands of those beasts, tonight... I'll be yours!” Fourth Sister-in-Law Li Mi clings tightly to Cao Kun's waist. “ 578Reads—Score10314d adds
  39. 139 The Storms of Beicheng 北城风云 Urban1.5M WordsCompleted Synopsis: (This story is entirely fictional. Its original title was Northern City’s Turmoil.) What is the jianghu? Wherever there are people, there is a jianghu, and wherever there is a jianghu, there is conflict! The jianghu is about fighting, killing, and the law of the jungle, but it’s also about human relationships and social conventions. This book will take you back to the jianghu of the 1980s and 1990s, where you’ll witness the extraordinary path of Chen Yanan, a generation’s ruthless hero 13.1kReads9.4Score1.1k14d adds
  40. 140 I Am the Legend 我就是传奇 Urban3.1M WordsCompleted I don’t know when it happened, but a bunch of people like this came into my life, even though I’ve always been cold-hearted and a little shameless. When I got dumped, they’d say, “What’s the big deal? Lost your girl? Find another one tomorrow. If you’re really desperate, I’ll lend you myself for the night!” When I felt lost, they were always there with me in our cramped little rooms, shouting, “We give it everything we’ve got, all so we can make something of ourselves!” ... Back then, I couldn’t 19.6kReads9.3Score2k14d adds
  41. 141 The Bad Guys: The Storm Rises Again 2 坏蛋之风云再起2 Urban5.0M WordsOngoing [People have names, and trees have shadows. Who is Xie Wendong? Everyone knows.] As the scorching sun slowly sinks away and the half moon hangs high, as neon lights begin to flicker and night descends, what can we use to prove that we exist? 12kReads9.0Score78814d adds
  42. 142 Hong Kong Films: Taking Over in Causeway Bay by Stepping on Chan Ho-nam 港片:在铜锣湾,踩着陈浩南上位 Male-Channel Fanfiction152k WordsOngoing Also known as: Chen Haonan, the Murderous Madman of Causeway Bay I'm Chen Haonan, and my boss is Big B. He's a complete idiot! Not long ago, he had Big Head help him do time in prison. Big Head went, because just like him, he's a complete idiot. A few days later, he came to me and told me to rob a bank for him, to get him a million. He had a young mistress on the side, and she thought he was too old and too poor... Rob a bank? I'm no idiot. I refused, so Big B was going to give me a beating 171Reads—Score—14d adds
  43. 143 Destined for a Life in the Underworld from Birth 从出生开始就注定混黑道 Urban853k WordsOngoing No System! No brainless antics! Packed with thrilling, iconic moments from beginning to end! My big brother told me to go to school and protect the campus belle, but I ended up reading her a love letter in front of the whole school? The son of the boss of a rival gang wants to be my underling? A gorgeous, wealthy woman wants me to marry her? It's gotten to the point where I don't even want to run with the gang anymore. I'm surrounded by gorgeous, wealthy women. I really don't want to work hard a 1.2kReads7.2Score—14d adds
  44. 144 The Endless Underworld 黑道无尽 Urban469k WordsCompleted (Period setting, underworld, gritty realism, high-octane) A savage era. An unconventional underworld boss. A story of the jianghu written in blood and tears. So much happened in those years. You can only see it clearly through blood-tinted glasses... 2.8kReads7.7Score29114d adds
  45. 145 I Am the King 我为王 Urban1.1M WordsCompleted Betrayed by everyone, I was wounded by those closest to me! I cut off a finger to survive, then lay low for six years before emerging again. Through the grudges and warmth of the martial world, I’ve seen it all. I am the king! 1.7kReads8.4Score12214d adds
  46. 146 Tiger Husband 虎夫 Urban7.0M WordsOngoing [Born to be somebody, just going through a rough patch for now!!!] 4.4kReads8.8Score37814d adds
  47. 147 The Bandit's Glory 悍匪的巅峰 Urban2.1M WordsCompleted Hu Fei is the descendant of an old Northeast Chinese bandit, living in a modern city. At home, he has a great-grandfather so brilliant he seems almost supernatural, who often quotes, “Growing old without dying makes you a thief!” He also has an old retainer who holds the title of chief of the Thousand Gates and commands its eight branches, mastering all kinds of strange and ingenious techniques. After being taught for twenty years by these two antique-level eccentrics, Hu Fei has become incredib 4.9kReads9.0Score48714d adds
  48. 148 The Pinnacle of Flame City 焰城顶点 Urban1.0M WordsCompleted Underworld fiction, urban setting. Beneath the plane trees at Yancheng No. 4 High School, more eyes were watching than there were cicadas singing. Some stared at Chen Shun's dazzling blond hair, as if checking whether a certain rumor was true. Some remembered the pale pink scar at Li Huafeng's temple, as though it still held a trace of his unspent fury. Guo Qiang's silent bulk was like a moving wall wherever he went, blocking out the sunlight and the prying eyes alike. No one knew that these few 33Reads6.5Score—14d adds
  49. 149 The Strongest Man to Emerge from Vocational School 从职校走出的强者 Urban768k WordsOngoing When Li Feng stepped into vocational school, his life began to change... Youth is meant to be lived boldly and without restraint! A legend is about to unfold! May you roam far and wide, then return still young at heart... 155Reads9.4Score—14d adds
  50. 150 My Years in the Gang 我混社团那些年 Urban3.0M WordsCompleted The internet’s most authentic account of Hong Kong’s criminal gangs in the 1960s: Kowloon Walled City, the Four Great Detectives, the four major gang families, the Eighteen Tigers of Kowloon, the Twelve Beauties of Mong Kok, and the rise of influential bosses such as Crippled Ho and Fatty Kun, all revealed one by one! This story is adapted from the oral account of a senior member of a Hong Kong and Macau gang. As he is now over eighty, I recorded and adapted his story myself! For special reasons 20.3kReads9.1Score2k14d adds

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